Scanner — Secret Thirteen Interview

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OCTOBER 7, 2012 + By S13

InterviewScanner

Robin Rimbaud on silence, sound installation, architecture, teaching, memory and the fragile ethics of listening.

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London Sound Art · Installation · Transmission
Scanner — Robin Rimbaud

Robin Rimbaud — Scanner

London Sound Art · Installation · Transmission

There are artists whose work can be described by style, period, scene or technique. Robin Rimbaud, better known as Scanner, resists that kind of containment. His practice moves through recordings, performance, sound art, film, dance, architecture, radio, public space, writing and education, but the deeper continuity is not medium. It is attention.

Scanner's work has often dealt with transmission: voices, cities, signals, hidden presence, the porous border between private and public space. Yet to reduce him to technology would miss the tenderness inside the practice. What returns throughout his work is not simply the machine, but the human presence caught inside systems of sound, architecture and memory.

This conversation follows many of those lines. It moves through the role of silence, the language of cities, the ethics of sound installation, the shaping force of architecture, the responsibility of teaching, and the possibility that even the smallest sonic gesture can alter how someone carries a moment.

At the centre of the conversation is Salles des Départs, a work created for a bereavement suite at the Raymond Poincaré hospital in Garches, France. Scanner describes it as a score for a place where no one wishes to be, and where no one wishes to hear sound. That sentence alone says much about the ethical difficulty of his work. Sound is not treated here as decoration, spectacle or atmosphere. It is a responsibility.

What follows is a conversation with Robin Rimbaud about the spaces between information, the city as language, the influence of John Cage, the fragile purpose of sound installation, teaching as support, and the strange power of listening when it becomes more than consumption.

On memory, grief and the most personal project

You have worked across music, film, installations, public projects and many other forms. Looking back across that wide field, is there one project that still feels especially personal or difficult to forget? Not necessarily the most visible one, but the one that stayed closest to you.

I have been fortunate enough over a number of years to have had such an array of adventurous opportunities, crossing over from all manner of genres, each of which brings its own challenges and rewards. It's almost impossible to pick out just one project that resonates more than any other, but pushed to it I would pick out Salles des Départs (2002) at the Raymond Poincaré hospital in Garches, France.

Developed as part of the bereavement suite, this was an extremely difficult invitation via the Italian architect Ettore Spalletti, whom I had met in Palermo the previous year. Essentially it's a score to accompany the viewing of a recently deceased loved one in a hospital, a place where no one wishes to be, a location that no one wishes to hear sound. It's a work that deals with the essentials of life itself — birth, death and love.

The space itself is an airy blue room, where one spends about twenty minutes with the body of a loved one, the last chance to share this physical moment before they are taken away for autopsy. It's an exceptionally fragile and difficult location, and with no "audience" as such to speak of, the work was a challenge. I wanted to make this happen as my own family had been in an identical situation, having to identify the body of my late father after he was killed in a hideous motorcycle crash in 1980. The work plays at the same volume as the air conditioning, so it is as visible as it is invisible, and offers a momentary solace for those in deep distress.

The work continues to play to this day, accompanying countless unknown families, to offer solace and comfort in the most difficult of times. No other project I have presented has had such a direct impact upon strangers.

Salles des Départs — Hôpital Raymond Poincaré, Garches, France, 2002. Permanent installation.

Salles des Départs — Hôpital Raymond Poincaré, Garches, France. Opened 29 October 2002. Permanent installation.

"A score for a place where no one wishes to be, and where no one wishes to hear sound."

— Robin Rimbaud on Salles des Départs

On space, lifts and the refusal to import finished work

Your work Hiss Concréte was installed in a lift, which is already a very particular kind of space: transitional, functional, compressed, almost unnoticed. How much does the actual location shape the way a composition is perceived? Do you think of space as a container for sound, or as something that actively writes part of the work?

The space around works is key to their success and their inspiration. Hiss Concréte, for example, attempts to make a connection between ideas of Elevator Music, that kind of vapid, generic easy listening music that is frequently piped through shopping centres and airports, and Musique Concrète, an experimental technique of music composition that assembles work by using natural sounds found around us. The space itself, a lift for the public to move between floors, was offered to me to create work, then the composition followed.

I'm less keen on being any kind of an "import" in terms of work and would prefer to make performances, installations, photographs, etc. that reflect the location in which they are installed and experienced by others, rather than just bring finished ideas from the studio to sit in a strange place, where they have little meaning.

On silence and the spaces between information

Silence has carried great importance for many contemporary composers, John Cage being the obvious figure here. But silence can mean many things: absence, tension, space, refusal, attention, even pressure. What does silence mean in your own work?

Cage continues to be a pivotal figure in my life and learning, but with regards to an idea of silence I'm interested in the spaces in between information at times, as it is there that thought occurs and processes. Those pauses in conversation as we think about the next thing to express are fascinating, but at the same time I'm intrigued by the sound of the city, especially living in London with its urban language. The idea of contrast is key to my work, so silence plays a part but is not key to its success.

Scanner live performance — Radio France, March 2007. Photography by Sifichi.

Live performance — Radio France, March 2007. Photography by Sifichi.

On sound installation and altering an entire city

We have seen sound installation become a broad term, sometimes used for work that truly changes perception, and sometimes simply for sound placed inside a room. For you, what makes a sound installation necessary? What should it do to the listener, the site, or the situation? And if financial or technical limits disappeared completely, is there a sound installation you still dream of creating?

We are now fortunate to live in a world where everyone in some sense creates the sonic world around them, curating their every day with iPod playlists and radio. Sound installations can offer us moments of contemplation, re-evaluation, of concentrated and committed listening. Over the years countless artists have inspired me in this realm, from Max Neuhaus, Christina Kubisch, Janet Cardiff and so on. Given the opportunity beyond any financial restrictions? How about altering the city of an entire transport system for a time? Or an entire city?

On impossible questions, records and the life of sound

This may be an impossible question, but perhaps that is why it is worth asking. Are there records, people or sound inventions that still feel essential to the way we understand listening today? Not only as "important works" in a historical sense, but as moments that changed how sound could be thought, used, felt or lived with.

Goodness, this is so all-encompassing a question that I believe a lifetime could be spent answering such a question, and it would be almost demeaning to even begin answering this. Suffice it to say, I am still obsessed by sound and music and continue to explore, listen and purchase music by others. I want to hear everything newly released, whilst still trying to catch up with our rich past. Sound is so much a part of us, so much a part of our physical, emotional and mental makeup. It makes us who we are, it defines us when we are growing up and continues to comfort, reward, challenge, bewilder and entertain us in ways beyond the span of language.

"Sound is so much a part of us. It makes us who we are, it defines us when we are growing up and continues to comfort, reward, challenge, bewilder and entertain us in ways beyond the span of language."

— Robin Rimbaud

On small events, invisible influence and destiny

Life often seems to change through small, almost invisible events rather than grand declarations. A tiny detail, a meeting, a sound, a sentence, a gesture can redirect someone's thinking. Have you ever felt that something modest in your work changed another person's life, even briefly? And do you believe in destiny, or only in attention to these small chain reactions?

I believe that each of us has been able to change another's life, direction and ideas, if only for a moment. I have certainly had responses from others regarding my work that point towards a new way of thinking, of processing ideas and thoughts. There's nothing more rewarding of course than hearing that something that you produced so modestly could actually affect and alter another person in such a way.

We recognise how music has played a role in political campaigns, in history, in our lives, but it's these tiny moments of rediscovery that are invaluable.

On teaching, discipline and the need for joy

You are not only an artist, performer and writer, but also a teacher. What kind of relationship do you try to build with students? Do you push them through discipline, play, criticism, encouragement, or all of these at once? And what mistakes do you see young artists making most often?

I have given talks about my work for some years to students, but more recently I've been a Visiting Professor at Le Fresnoy art school in France, where I have actually loved every moment of sharing my ideas and experience. I'm a very enthusiastic and supportive teacher though. I'm strict with the discipline of work, deadlines and commitment, but also very playful in my output and approach. I believe there is a time to work and, importantly, a time to play. I work strict hours, from early morning until 19:00 in the studio and never after, and very rarely at weekends unless I am travelling or performing. Students tend to force themselves to work all night, wearing themselves down for little reward and forgetting to remember that there needs to be a joy and a pleasure in this work. Why else do it?

My students have been extraordinary, showing films at the Sundance Film Festival, installing works in museums, exhibiting photographs in galleries. I try to be as encouraging as possible and frequently in a directly collaborative manner too, writing scores, designing sounds for their productions.

It's essential to remember that they are the future and need to be nurtured and supported as much as possible.

Scanner's range of activity is striking, but even more important is the care with which he thinks about placement. Sound is not treated as something simply made and delivered. It is placed, negotiated, lowered, hidden, invited, allowed to appear or almost disappear. A lift, a hospital room, a city, a classroom, a pause in conversation — each becomes a different kind of score.

The most fragile moment remains Salles des Départs. A work that plays at the volume of air conditioning, for people who may never know the artist's name, in a room where grief is still physical. In an age where culture is often measured by visibility, it is difficult to think of a more radical gesture than making something almost invisible and letting it remain useful to strangers.

Perhaps that is what binds the whole conversation together: the refusal to treat listening as passive. Sound can comfort, unsettle, redirect, discipline, open, shelter, or simply make thought possible in the space between information. Scanner's work has always understood that technology is never only technical, space is never empty, and silence is never merely the absence of sound.

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