Rrose — Secret Thirteen Interview

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JUNE 30, 2014 + By S13

RroseInterview

Reflecting Duchamp with the sounds of techno — a rare conversation with one of electronic music's most deliberately elusive figures, recorded before their performance at Outline Festival 2014.

2014 Techno · Identity · Dada
Rrose — photo by Robert Causari

Photo by Robert Causari

2014 Techno · Identity · Dada

There is a particular kind of artist who arrives at techno from the outside — not through the dancefloor first, but through the academic study of perception, through Ligeti and Nancarrow and James Tenney, through the realization that the psychoacoustic effects they were chasing in concert halls could be achieved just as precisely, and perhaps more powerfully, in a dark room at high volume. Seth Horvitz arrived at Rrose this way. Having spent years producing underground techno as Sutekh, he returned to academia at Mills College in Oakland — whose alumni include Steve Reich, Laurie Anderson, and Holly Herndon — to complete a master's degree in electronic music and recording media. What emerged from that return was a project that treats the dancefloor not as a destination but as a laboratory.

Rrose first appeared in 2011 on Sandwell District — the Birmingham-born, Los Angeles-based collective and label run by Regis, Function, and Silent Servant, whose aesthetic of industrial minimalism and deliberate anonymity was already reshaping the outer edges of techno. The track "Waterfall" became an instant landmark: a psychedelic, frequency-heavy construction whose effect on a dancefloor was closer to a sensory experiment than a conventional club record. Rrose's identity remained initially unknown. The name itself was a pointed act — Rrose Sélavy was Marcel Duchamp's female alter ego, first photographed by Man Ray in 1921, the name a pun on the French Éros, c'est la vie — Eros, such is life. Duchamp used it as a byline, a signature, a provocation about identity and authorship. Rrose inherited this logic entirely. The persona goes by he and she interchangeably, an implied interrogation of gender norms inside a music culture that rarely interrogates them. Rrose's official biography states: "Born 1969. Died 1909." The paradox is the point.

After Sandwell District shuttered, Rrose established Eaux, a home for further solo productions and collaborations — with composer Bob Ostertag and his Buchla 200E synthesizer, with Charlemagne Palestine on two grand pianos, with a 2015 reinterpretation of James Tenney's postcard composition "Having Never Written a Note for Percussion" for solo gong. Albums followed: Hymn to Moisture (2019) and Please Touch (2023), the latter title a nod to Duchamp's 1947 Surrealist exhibition. The arc from dancefloor to concert hall and back is not a contradiction — it is the whole project.

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Rrose

Rrose does not talk much. Interviews are rare. This conversation was conducted remotely in 2014 — a moment when the project was still young, still partially anonymous, still working out what it was willing to say about itself. Reading it now, what is striking is how consistent the position has remained across the decade that followed.

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Considering the political climate in various parts of the world regarding sexual minorities, do you feel any discomfort performing as a transgender stage character? Why do such things still exist in the 21st century?

When I was first invited to Russia, I was concerned that I might be hassled, but friends who live there informed me that the "official" rules are basically ignored by the general population with no ill effects. This doesn't change the fact that the laws themselves are idiotic and deserve to be protested. We can only hope that such ignorance will cause the opposite effect of raising awareness and acceptance of LGBT people in the world.

Three years have passed since the start of the Rrose project. Could you tell us about your experiences during that period? What significant things have you learned or perceived? Could you say that Rrose is successful? How do you see the project in 5 years?

I'm very happy with how things are going. I feel like I've found a narrow, focused area of exploration that continues to inspire me and has plenty of potential for further development and refinement.

There is no secret that one of the main influences for Rrose's name was Marcel Duchamp's character Rrose Sélavy. Could you tell us more about Rrose's artistic ideology and where all these brilliant ideas merge into one? Maybe you had any unexpected discoveries in your lifetime that fundamentally shaped your vision of what artistic expression is? It would be very interesting to learn about Rrose's artistic background a bit more.

I'm really just a techno artist who happens to be into lots of weird art and music. Some of my knowledge is self-taught, some comes from formal training and schooling. I respect both approaches, and I don't consider them mutually exclusive.

Could you consider yourself a follower and upholder of the Dadaist movement? How do Dada ideas and concepts directly or indirectly influence Rrose's pieces? Could you declare that we are living in a nonsensical world?

Anyone who claims to be a follower or an upholder of Dada is fooling you. Myself included!

After reading your previous interviews we have noticed that your music is based on digital production. Do you use hardware in your production at all and how do you see this hardware revival these days? Does it mean that the audience became more attentive and demanding? Or is this only a trend to show how many shiny devices an artist has?

I take no political stance when it comes to hardware versus software. Every situation is different. What works for some may not work for others, and everyone has their reasons. I like hardware synths and use them sometimes, but I'm generally happier with the final result when I can control everything in the computer.

Could you share one of your artistic experiences that may remind you of gathering the fruits of Eden? Is Rrose a religious person and does religion — or its absence — somehow influence the musical path?

Rrose takes more inspiration from engaging with the physical world than from religion or any other abstract ideas. Eden is all around us!

"Eden is all around us!"

— Rrose

French novelist Honoré de Balzac stated that eroticism depends not just upon individual sexual morality, but also the culture and time in which an individual resides. How often does Rrose get attention from sexual minorities? Have there been any surreal misunderstandings or incidents regarding Rrose's feminine side?

Quite a few people have approached me with positive words about my persona. I can't say how many of them are sexual minorities, though it seems fairly mixed. I'm a bit of an outsider in that I don't directly identify with any "sexual minority" group, but I hope that I am at least raising some important questions and giving more freaks a license to come out.

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